Plutonian power astrology
Pluto is very much Scorpio.. There are some great books on Pluto.. How Plutonian are you? She also has a book called healing Pluto problems.. Forever changing our existence. Pluto creates and destroys On the Ascendant we may tend to destroy our own self image. Only to transform it again and again.. People could see you as deep dark intense and penetrating.
And very sexually powerful. Which could frighten others away I know the pains and crisis that Pluto can have us endure.. I just watched a video here.. Pluto conjunt Moon on the ascendant.. The father of Evolutionary Astrology. He is All about Pluto.. You need to share your chart.. Mars is action so if you have Mars aspecting Pluto, there's action.
But Pluto deals a lot with the deepest parts of ourselves. It's very psychological too. It's not really action tho. Pluto teaches through transformation. I have a very bad habit of these placements of cutting people off I take so much from people and a certain point comes where the cut off point comes, they then are nothing to me, its like they've never existed To me its nothing to do this and comes very easy for me to do this.
I can operate on a superficial level with people for only so long and then i can't do it anymore, i need something more meaningful Doesn't help with most of my progressed personal planets now being in scorpio.
Its mad though as i do have spanish dark looks. Something else ive realized with these pluto placements i have, certain guys always give me a certain "undressing me" look, no matter what i wear, when this happens in your local corner shop you go to daily, it gets quite annoying and uncomfortable sometimes, i can feel the guys eyes peeling into me when i walk into his shop. Last edited by Chrysalis; at PM. Originally Posted by Chrysalis. Originally Posted by Lykanized. It could be very dark in the wrong hands, but it's a good aspect, I think, when in the right hands Granted, I've experienced their darkness and that's a part of me too.
Same thing here.. I never go back but it takes a lot and I mean a LOT of time for me to get over it. After I get over it.. Someone said "it feels like they didn't even exist in my life" I feel the exact same thing. Like they belong to a previous life of mine and I don't remember feeling anything for them, I am so indifferent. I really don't like this placement and I think it will always be problematic.
Unfortunately Pluto square Mars doesn't do it for me.. I am a very low level energy person. If i'm in a pickle with something, which happens often, i always have the strength to get through it, i do whatever i have to do. Its just the energy of others that this attracts, which in my experience has not been good from very young All my life i've been involved with plutonic people and circumstances When i was very young i was very weak, which enabled predators to prey on me with me having these aspects, so i think in my past life i was a very weak individual and needed these aspects this life time to gain strength.
Originally Posted by UnluckyGirl. I think Pluto-Venus is the only Pluto aspect I don't have. I have to admit, I feel lucky. I get obsessive enough as it is in relationships and it's something I've really had to work on. Excuse me, reviving thread What I noticed is that I get really pushy and agressive when telling other people to do stuff which tends to worry me haha.
But I guess that's a non-matter in the big scheme if I try to cut it down. That's an interesting topic! I don't know much about Pluto, but I have mine at the critical 29 degrees, do you think that rule is valid for an outer planet? Three squares, huh? Should be hard? I do have a hard time with change and letting go, it usually freaks me out and puts me in "crazy" states. I go from anger, to depression, to anger, until I finally let go and feel literally a soul orgasm.
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Peace and calm. I'm very stubborn and there are things I just do not want to let go. But the more I fight the worse it gets, so that's a major lesson in my life. Letting go of expectations, people, places, ideas, dreams. I wonder if anybody has Pluto opposite Venus? It's giving into that death and not fearing it as there is always something new uncovered. I hold onto things until feeling physically pained and near dying.
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Saturn, let us not forget, has a character that is bound up with that of a solar autocrat — or, as a substitute, a rigid, traditional legal code, such as the Napoleonic code. Saturn refers to the justice of an absolute king who cannot accept challenges to his power and can bear even less to see his laws scorned; except in the rare cases in which it pleases him to show — or for devious reasons he is pressured into showing — his magnanimity, and he pardons the offender.
On the other hand, Pluto never "pardons," because he does not "punish" or automatically exact payment proportionate to the offense. Pluto registers the fact that a time has come for the possibility to move from one level of consciousness and activity to another; he then produces the conditions required for such a passage or transmutation.
The more bound the consciousness is to Saturnian patterns and memories, the harsher these conditions. If Uranus and Neptune have not succeeded in giving a good start to the process of transformation, Pluto can indeed be ruthless as well as relentless. If, on the other hand, the Uranian and Neptunian forces have done their transforming work, and the individual has accepted their message and readied himself for the final "descent into hell" the Dark Night of the Soul — he may with calm strength meet the Plutonian process of total denudation and the void to which it leads.
Such a person already carries in his heart the vision of the New Life and no longer resists the transformation, whose purpose he has consciously made his own. Punishment has become purgation — the breaking down of obstacles to the flow of spiritual power within his total being, or at least as much of the total being as can stand the inrush without being shattered by the galactic energy.
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The action of karma may be involved, but a karmic retribution which is totally accepted and given the meaning of a liberation from past conscious and unconscious memories ceases to be Saturnian; it becomes the token one has to pay for entrance into the galactic realm of spiritual consciousness. In extreme emotional cases we have the joyous ecstasy of the martyrs singing while being tortured, because they know uncontrovertibly that this is the way to absolute union with the Divine Beloved, the Avatar.
In the symbolism of Christ's descent to hell for three days after his Crucifixion, we see a particularly significant example of Plutonian activity, for the development of galactic consciousness requires a total experience of the meaning that disintegration and failure have had during the cycle in which one has attained the Christ-like state of consciousness. Everything that has been part of this cycle must be encompassed by the consciousness which now has a totally holistic and thus eonic or divine character.
The White Adept in some way must have become aware of, and have empathetically felt the tragic state of the Black Adept, because in his compassion he includes the darkness as well as the light. He can no longer hate or feel horror for evil, because for the supreme Good there is no evil, but only the shadow of the divine Light upon the unredeemed memory of the ancient past. But it must be truly the supreme Good indisputably revealing its nature in total, impersonal compassion, and not the little good encapsuled in man's pale social or religious virtues!
The fact that the Crucifixion and its aftermath, the three days "descent to hell" are celebrated at the time of the vernal equinox is deeply significant; for that moment of the year's cycle refers, at least symbolically, to the process of germination; and germination is the crucifixion of the seed. Out of the torn seed the first thing to emerge is the rootlet, and this rootlet "descends" into the humus, produce of the decay of leaves and of all that once had been living. The dark soil is the hell of the life-sphere, but it is also the foundation of all living processes — the "dark mother" which is the past, who will be redeemed as her decayed materials are drawn upward toward air and light within the new life and eventually reach the flower state.
Germination is a Plutonian process, and this is why in astrology Pluto should "rule" Aries, the vernal equinox sign of the zodiac, symbol of the creative impulse which initiates all new life-processes. However, Pluto is associated with Aries rather than ruling it; for the concept of rulership breaks down entirely when we realize that the trans-Saturnian planets are in the solar system, but not of it. This concept was entirely valid in the Ptolemaic Sun-to-Saturn world, for it expressed a profound philosophy of life. It no longer should be applied to a heliocosm in which the Sun is primarily understood to be a star, one among billions, within the vast cosmic organism of the Galaxy.
All that can be said is that in the new galactic approach to the planets and to the zodiac — the tropical zodiac which is the background on which we plot the cyclically changing relationship of the Earth to the Sun — the signs following Capricorn the apex of Saturn's power correspond to the basic phases in the process of transformation symbolized by Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto.
Pluto, however, is the challenger of all that Mars represents in the Sun-to-Saturn system. Pluto's impersonality challenges Mars' essentially personal-emotional character. The challenges occur in Scorpio as well as in Aries, just as Neptune's challenge to Jupiter occurs in Pisces symbol of the last moment of a cultural cycle as well as in Sagittarius which represents the achievement by a culture of its fundamental philosophical and legal character ; and Uranus challenges Saturn in Capricorn as well as in Aquarius, for the moment the days begin to lengthen, the power of Saturn is doomed, even at the very apex of its power.
All challenges by the planets that are agents of the Galaxy are inherently causes of suffering for the consciousness immured within Saturnian patterns; but the acceptance of suffering is an essential part of the process of transformation. The "descent to hell" is, in a sense, a dramatization of the inevitability of suffering in such a process.
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More generally still, wherever there is the experience of depth there inevitably is a concomitant experience of suffering. But, in our global world, the direction of depth leads us to center; and the experience of center is essential to spiritual development. All centers — be they those of atoms, cells, suns, or galaxies — are not only related in the fourth dimension of "interpenetration," they actually are one in what one might call the fifth dimension.
This is the ancient Hindu concept of the identity of the individual atman and the universal Brahman, reflected in the yogic salutation "I am Thou" that evokes the feeling of an essential identity of the centers in all human beings. I should add that such a salutation distinguishes the Hindu from the Hebraic-Christian type of spirituality, because the latter instead speaks of "I and Thou" d.
Buber's famous book with that title , replacing identification with a "dialogue" between essentially different entities — a dialogue which at the limit is one that relates God the Creator to man, the creature. What we can broadly call depth-psychology aims, in its most significant aspect, at giving to human consciousness the experience of depth — and in some instances especially with Carl Jung and Assagioli the experience of center. The process of "individuation" which constitutes the main topic in Jungian psychotherapy and in psychosynthesis should lead not only to an experience of centering — for the personal ego is also the center of the Saturn-bounded field of consciousness — but to the transfer of the center from the essentially limited and temporary ego-field to the vaster and permanent realm of "the Self.
It has the quality of inclusiveness in contrast to the basic exclusivism of the ego-dominated consciousness. Mars arouses and focuses the soli-lunar energies of the personality in the direction of an emotionally desired goal. It represents a going out into the world of the surface of the globe, the biosphere. It involves a more or less "horizontal" spreading of energy in terms of a relationship with some object; a relationship which may be negative, thus a fleeing from that object. To Mars' intensely personal action, Pluto answers with a collective urge for activity, a collective urge seeking a mind or a will that, by giving it a conscious focus, will provide a center from which the purpose may be disseminated.
At the highest level Pluto serves to focus galactic energies upon mankind through individuals ready undeviatingly to assume a role of destiny; and in that sense Pluto's action is "vertical," not "horizontal. While Neptune represents the general pressure of a collectivity upon the individuals which it includes — and thus, for instance, signifies the individual's subservience to fashion and propaganda of all types — Pluto in a birth chart indicates the possibility for a person to become the active mouthpiece of the group's spirit through positive, creative action.
This Plutonian focusing of social or biological energies upon an individual who is able to express the group's character and purpose often results in what appears to be actions imbued with personal ambition or self-gratification; yet behind this personal facade a wider kind of unconscious or semiconscious motivation operates. For instance, at the psychological level the emotional attraction between a young man and woman ordinarily takes apparently personal and possessive forms; yet behind this appearance it is the human species, and often the culture or religion of the youths, which impel or compel them to mate.
On the surface everything seems personal and Martian, but in the unconscious depths of the two young people it is the collective purpose of the race or the culture which seeks expression. Any focusing of generic or social energy and purpose through the actions of individuals, often unaware of what impels them to act, is Plutonian. In this sense a police force is a manifestation of Plutonian power at the social and at times, political level. The policeman who abuses his power commits a greater crime than a mere individual who injures another individual — a Martian act. Yet in our illegal society, he is most often only reprimanded or dismissed.
The abuse or misuse of collective power invested upon a man should be the greatest crime a person can commit. This Plutonian challenge to Mars archetypically occurs in Aries. Life itself, in its generic sense, is the real actor in all cosmic or racial beginnings. This is what, in the most ancient mythologies, the great god Eros or Kama deva in India meant; only much later was this primal force of universal life reduced to the "human, all too human" character it occupies in popular conceptions and familiar language witness the common use of the term, erotic.
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In early days the Greek Eros and the Hindu Kama deva were the firstborn among the gods. They represented the cosmic desire to create a new world; and such desire inevitably implies a "descent" into chaos. Chaos represents the undifferentiated primeval condition of matter, the residua of extinct forms of energy, the "dark soil" or dust of past universes. Every creative activity in its essential character is a descent into matter. The universal One in Its diffuse and undifferentiated state, spreads out in infinite Space, seeks to focus itself into a particular one, the source of a new manifestation; and to do that it must become centered in matter.
We interpret this action symbolically by speaking of a "descent" into the depths and the darkness. All such descents are motivated by a desire for new and more inclusive experiences in some form of life, at whatever level these forms are envisioned as containers or expressions of a cosmic micro- or macrocosmic process. At the level of our present Western society and, in a more general sense, of what the Hindu philosopher called Kali Yuga the Greek Iron Age, the Age of the Dark Mother, Kali , Plutonian descents have a tragic character, for individuals and nations have always to meet many dark and fear-full memories.
These memories have to be met in the underground darkness if there is to be new and creative beginnings. This is, in Jungian terms, the meeting with the Shadow. Nevertheless if this meeting is courageously and unfalteringly experienced, the Shadow is transformed into God-in-the-depth, the God of the mysteries, the "living" God who polarizes God-in-the-highest, and thus reveals the essential unity of matter and spirit, and also of failure and success — or better still the changeless, all-encompassing, and ineffable Harmony of Non-being and Being, or Potentiality and Actuality.
The Planetarization of Consciousness , Chap. In most fairy tales, the ugly Beast seeking love is transformed into the radiant Prince, once the maiden is able to feel in her heart compassion for the deformed ugliness. In Greek esoteric mythology Pluto is not only ruler of the Underground, but also the symbol of abundance and wealth. It is symbolized also by "the Pearl of great price" which, hidden within the viscous shell-enclosed substance of the oyster, can only be found by the daring diver into the sea-depths of the unconscious; and, in order to succeed in his quest, the diver must develop a large lung-capacity for breathing — the breath symbolizing the most essential aspect of the process of spiritual realization.
Pearls are produced by the oyster after some irritating substance has been introduced into its seemingly shell-secure living space. Suffering is necessary if some degree of transmutation and trans-substantiation is to be experienced; but all depends on the attitude toward suffering and pain. Tragedy must be accepted. It must be understood ; and to understand is not only to "stand under" and bear the full weight of what is understood, thus experiencing all its mass and its contents; it is also to become aware of the purpose of the burden placed upon one's shoulders — the purpose this burden and the experience of it have within the large cycle of one's existence, and if possible of mankind's and the world's existence.
Pluto, more than any other planet, can lead to the reality of what is often too glibly called "cosmic consciousness"; but it certainly does not need to do so. The Shadow has most subtle ways of hiding the reality under various forms of Neptunian glamour. As already stated, Pluto's action is largely conditioned by what a person's response to Uranian and Neptunian forces and events has been.
The Uranian revolutionist can easily be thrown off his course by the intensity of his passion for violently tearing down oppressive factors and accepting no compromise; the Neptunian idealist may be misled by the glamour of pseudomystical experiences which make him lose his way in a heavy, even if iridescent, mist; and the Neptunian humanitarian may sink in the quicksand of sentimentality. What is taken for cosmic consciousness may only be a feeling-experience , instead of a clear realization of the cosmic-divine Mind in its impersonal and unerring cyclic operations — what Sri Aurobindo calls the Supermind, or even the higher aspect of the Overmind.
A significant and contrasting relationship can be made between Pluto and Mercury. Mercury symbolizes the mind at the stage in which its operations are conditioned by the need of the life organism for survival, expansion, and reproduction, and by the social-cultural ambitions of the ego. On the other hand, Pluto stands for the totally impersonal cosmic Mind — the Mind that deals with universal principles and archetypes, the holistic and eonic Mind.
At a lower level, it refers to the style of an epoch, rather than the personal contribution of a particular artist or writer, very often appreciated at first for his superficial and supposedly "original" characteristics. For this reason, Pluto's position in one of the Houses of a birth chart reveals the type of experience through which a person will most fruitfully contribute to the style of his or her time; and as we will presently see, Pluto's position in a particular zodiacal sign gives a basic clue to the life style of a generation.
Summing up the foregoing, we find that the most fundamental meaning of all Plutonian processes is that they force us, often relentlessly, to devaluate or abandon all that is a manifestation of surface living and to plumb as profound a depth of human experience as our mental, affective, and spiritual condition can withstand.
Surface living can be interpreted at the social-cultural level in terms of our habitual and taken-for-granted responses to the behavior and feeling patterns of our society or class.
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At a more personal level, Pluto represents, as we have already seen, all forms of depth-psychology; thus any determined attempt to discover our "fundamental nature" — in the sense in which Zen philosophy uses these words. Pluto can also be said to lead human minds to a realization that a central core of "great verities" exists underneath the variety of religious beliefs and practices. Theosophists refer to it as "the universal Wisdom-Religion. It is based on what is essential in human nature. In this sense, Pluto is the planet most closely related to true Occultism — whether in its constructive or destructive forms i.